A Terrifying Thought.

633.) The Genius Timothy Geithner has come out to support Preisdent Obama’s quest to raise taxes, “That’s the kind of balance you need,” said Geithner. “Why is that the case? Because if you don’t try to generate more revenues through tax reform, if you don’t ask, you know, the most fortunate Americans to bear a slightly larger burden of the privilege of being an American, then you have to — the only way to achieve fiscal sustainability is through unacceptably deep cuts in benefits for middle class seniors, or unacceptably deep cuts in national security.” So he is talking about raising revenues through tax reform, the fact of the mater is that you cannot raise enough revenue through tax reform to make a difference. The country is spending too much money, thanks to the big government spending princibles brought about by President Obama. You have to cut spending, it has come to that. 

I would also like to point out that President Obama cannot take a high ground on the spending issue, and pass it off on former President Bush, and past congresses, because there never was a spending bill President Obama did not vote for. Spending is all he knows.

 I do like how Mr. Geithner also tried the class warfare card. The systems they would have to cut, are not going to affect the middle class, they are going to affect the poor. Although I guess under President Obama those are the same thing now. 

The Terrifying concept that I found in this, is not the typical Obamian “The rich are evil we must take their money, if you don’t want to you are a baby killer” rhetoric, we have heard it a thousand times. No what scares me, and should scare everyone else, is the that Mr.  Geithner called being and American a Privilege. A privilege is something that Big Brother Obama can take away, if we misbehave. I was born in this country, being an American is not a privilege I have, it is a right. You cannot take away the fact that I am an American. But President Obama’s administration doesn’t want you to have rights to anything. He wants the government to be able to take anything from you, if you do not fallow his demands exactly. 

I know there are many people who came to this country as imigrants, and they can be deported, so do they have to pay more to be an American?


So is being an American a Privilege or a Right?

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24 comments
  1. America used to be the only place on Earth where the government protected the God-endowed rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

  2. if citizenship is not a right of birth, i sure would like to see the official rule book on this privilege. And who it is that has the authority to be granting this privilege

  3. @sometimestheycomebackanyway – No America used to be the place where the Citizens had protected their God-endowed rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from the government. Government cannot create nor protect rights, it can only destroy them.

  4. @sometimestheycomebackanyway –  I refer you to the additudes of the founding fathers. They had just overthrown a tyrant. They created a consitutionaly limited government. The consitution and the bill of rights both limit the power of government, to prevent it from taking our rights.  The Tenth Ammednment to the Consitution of the United States of America “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” These words were intended to bind the government to the confines of the Consitution to prevent it from striping our rights away from us. George Washington said it best. “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action”

  5. People hated bush for things he actually said, did and thought.  People take a phrase like “being american is a privilege” and hear “I’m revoking the citizenship of anyone I don’t like”.Obama could sing the theme song to mister rogers and conservatives like yourself would hear “would you be my neighbor?” and call it a call to take peoples’ houses away and force them into re-education camps where they are sleep deprived and forced to read communist literature.As far as the spending nonsense, you may have heard about this little recession we’ve been having and how the government was a trillion dollars over budget and the country was losing almost a million jobs a month when he came into office.You rewrite history so that one man invented all of these problems.  The president doesn’t even write the frigging budget, learn some civics.

  6. It was revealed that 49.5% do not pay income tax recently.  It is my understanding that you could tax those who make a million or more at 50% and you will still see an increase in the federal deficit.  So I am about to solve the problems here in the U.S.  Make the 49.5% pay income taxes.  Yes, a conservative is actually advocating a tax increase.You can’t reduce the deficit without cutting the big three.  So cut social security, medicare and the military.  You have to cut all three.  So make the 49.5% pay their share and cut the three biggest programs until you balance the budget. 

  7. @agnophilo – The average unemployment rate while President Bush was in office was 5.6%.  It only went up in the last 2 years when Democrats controlled the Senate and the House.  You might remember that President Obama was in the Senate.  The Democrats controlled two thirds of the government during this entire recession.  Then President Obama won the election and became President.  The Democrats then controlled all of the government.  Then you saw one of the largest turnovers in history in 2010.  It was enough to win back the House but it was not enough to win the Senate which was hard to win with less Democrat seats open.  So the Democrats have controlled two thirds of the government for the entire recession.You can look it up and you will see that the unemployment rate was 5.6% as an average during the time President Bush was president.  You can look it up and see that the Democrats controlled two thirds of the government during the time of the recession.  One of the greatest snowjobs is that the Democrats are innocent when it comes to this economy and all of the blame is on President Bush.  The Dems have caused the deficit to skyrocket during their two-thirds control and have been on the watch for the unemployment reaching 9%+ on average.  If the Dems can’t fix the mess they helped create,  should we give the other side a try?

  8. Orlei said:

    Well as far as I can see, being an American is neither. This is insane! @TheTheologiansCafe – Maybe we should give the other side a try.

  9. @agnophilo – the left does the same.  Bush could’ve found the cure for cancer, cured both their parents for free, and they’d accuse him of doing it only to save his image.  Obama could murder their family, tell them it’s for the greater good and they’d support him.  I’m not a fan by any means of Bush’s fiscal policies, they were anything but conservative.  While you say that folks hated Bush for the things he did, you also attack those you call conservative for disliking Obama for the things he did.  Also, you do realize that Obama does have the power of a thing called a veto before any bill becomes law, including spending bills.  And when was the last time a budget was actually passed?

  10. @TheTheologiansCafe – at the end of Bush’s 2nd term this country was bleeding 750,000 jobs a month. the economy officially went off the cliff in mid October 2008 but started down that road when Wall Street was deregulated nearly 8 years earlier after which credit default swaps, the game of buying and selling notes ononlyspeculative guesses as to their worth and with other peoples’ money was started by the banks. former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill tried to warn Dick Cheney the growing deficit posed a threat to the economy.  Cheney cut him off. “You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: “We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due.” A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired. Source: [X-ref O’Neill] Adam Entous, Reuters, on AOL News Jan 11, 2004

  11. @TheTheologiansCafe – If you add up the number of children, unemployed, disabled, retired etc it amounts to more than 49% moron.  Yes, lets tax retirees on their savings and have kids pay federal income tax on their paper routes and have people with no income or who are below the poverty line pay income tax.  But whatever we do, lets not raise taxes for billionaires a single penny.Callous, ignorant, greedy crap as we’ve come to expect from republicans.@TheTheologiansCafe – The recession was caused by deregulation of the banking industry which was done by members of both parties and began more than a year before obama took office.  And no, democrats did not control congress – they should’ve, but republicans threatened to filibuster all meaningful legislation requiring a super-majority in the senate to pass anything.  Are you honestly that ignorant of recent political history?  Maybe you should stop trolling xanga and read someone else’s blog every now and then.@grim_truth – People didn’t hate bush because he was a secret muslim or insist he wasn’t a US citizen or claim he was a communist blah blah blah. They hated him because he committed war crimes and lied and spied on americans and eroded civil liberties, just to name a few legitimate grievances which are not imagined or delusional.

  12. @agnophilo – Let me see.  You used the word “moron,” “callous,” “ignorant,” “greedy and “crap” in your response.  It leaves the impression that the statistics about the unemployment rate of 5.6% during the 8 years of President Bush and the recession being during the time that the government was controlled by the Democrats is sort of a sore spot.  Hey, the unemployment has been at or around 9% for a long time.  I am just suggesting the Dems do not have a real plan to bring down the deficits and take down the unemployment. 

  13. @TheTheologiansCafe – No, morons spouting callous, ignorant, greedy crap is a sore spot.  This is like saying whoever took control of the german government after the fall of hitler was responsible for the troubles proceeding from the war.  Specific policies supported by specific people long before obama took office or the dems got a majority in the house or senate are what collapsed a good portion of the economy.  Not to mention the near collapse of the auto industry which cheney admitted they spent 25 billion dollars to avoid making the decision the obama administration made because they wanted a democrat to have to make it.  Here is where job creation was when he took office.  Notice it skyrocketed until he took office then went sharply down.  You want to “blame” that on obama?  Then you’re an idiot.

  14. @agnophilo – I did not blame Obama.  Read my initial comment.  I didn’t even deny that Bush was partially to blame.  I simply pointed out that the Dems were in control during this whole recession.  So the idea of blaming Bush doesn’t really work.  Dems should take part of the blame.  And they are partly responsible.  I realize in some people’s Worldview that it can only be completely Bush or completely Obama.  I never said Obama was to blame.  I simply pointed out that the unemployment rate was 5.6% during the full 8 years that President Bush was the president and it skyrocketed and so did the deficit once the Dems took control in 2006.  Look at an statistical model of when the meltdown happened.  It happened under Democrat control.  So they deserve part of the blame.But they are currently in control (you can blame Bush but you can’t hold him politically responsible because he is not running for re-election).  So people are going to ask what part the Democrats played in this and since they are the ones in control, they are going to take the consequences for their part in what happened.  This feels like you disagree with me.  You do realize there was one of the highest turnovers in Congress in history in the 2010 election?  Why?  There was a recession and people were assessing blame.  They could not hold Bush politically responsible.  So who do they hold politically responsible?  The people in office.  Most people realize those people were in office before 2008.  So blaming Bush didn’t work.  It only worked on people who hated Bush anyway.  The people held all of them responsible but especially those who had controlled the government since 2006.  I am not sure if you follow elections but 2010 was one of the largest losses for a political party in history.  It was pretty huge.  So pointing back to 2008 as the starting point of Democrats didn’t work.  The American people are smarter than that.  But now this election it will be 4 years and not 2 years.  So the American people will once again hold someone responsible.  I am betting that blaming Bush will not work again.  I am betting people will hold the party responsible who has been in charge since 2006. Notice I didn’t say I thought Obama was going to lose.  I have said for some time that if the unemployment rate gets down to 7.9%, that President Obama will get re-elected.  I do think he will lose the Senate and the Republicans will keep the House.  So now the Republicans will control the government.  I am not sure people will see a real difference between Obama and Romney anyway.  So if conservatives control the House and Senate, Romney or Obama will sort of be a sock puppet anyway.  You will see the deficits move in the direction of going back down and you will see unemployment begin to move down as businesses expand.

  15. @TheTheologiansCafe – I just did a blog naming specifically the people who caused the recession and how.  And yes, you did blame obama.

  16. @agnophilo – I blamed everyone who participated.  President Obama was actually in office back in 2006.  So he time starts then.

  17. @TheTheologiansCafe – So what role did president obama play in 2006 as a freshman congressman that was so great it called for him being the only person mentioned by name (and mentioned several times) in your comment about who is to blame for the recession.I was born prior to the recession – is it my fault too?

  18. @agnophilo – The vast majority of people don’t think that Obama is any of those things. A few fringe cooks who progressives such as yourself like to throw up in the spot light to try and discredit anyone on the right.  It is just like people calling the TEA Party racist, they weren’t but it made a better political story that way. 

  19. @obamawatch – Wasn’t there a poll that showed that 1 in 3 republicans didn’t think obama was a US citizen and a majority weren’t convinced he was?  And didn’t one republican candidate for president demand to see obama’s long-form birth certificate and another say he wasn’t sure his birth certificate was real or fake?  And fox news promotes the whole “obama is muslim” crap and they get more ratings than all the other news networks combined – hardly the fringe.  I searched the fox news website for “obama” and “muslim” and the first hit is a poll saying 1 in 5 americans think obama is muslim, and the second is pat robertson saying “obama’s muslim inclination warped him”.Fox news, pat robertson and the frontrunners in the presidential election are all the fringe?It’s the mainstream of the party that thinks this stuff.And I don’t think everyone in the tea party is racist, but I think there was an element of racism in the movement.

  20. @agnophilo – then where are the war crime charges?  And no, there was no one who thought he was behind 9-11.  You’re right.  Every single ounce of hatred for Bush was fully justified.  And you call other people delusional…Much of the criticism Obama gets is just as justified, but you simply choose to focus only on the criticism that isn’t.  As you sit there and do that, you ignore the unjustified criticism Bush took, while focusing on only the justified criticism.  Partisan crony, much?

  21. @grim_truth – Where are the war crimes charges?Here and here are some.  Several nations have found him guilty of war crimes and his administration violated the geneva conventions and US law many, many times.And yes, one conspiracy theory about 9/11 gained popularity though it was more a conspiracy that members of the US government may have planned 9/11, not nearly all people who bought into them thought bush had necessarily  been the mastermind.  But even if I say yeah it was all about bush, there are vastly more obama conspiracy theories in the mainstream.You said:”Much of the criticism Obama gets is just as justified, but you simply choose to focus only on the criticism that isn’t.  As you sit there and do that, you ignore the unjustified criticism Bush took, while focusing on only the justified criticism.”Really?  You’re telling me that the bulk of the criticisms of obama are legitimate in a blog attacking him for things he never said which you uncritically recommended?  Seriously?”Partisan crony, much?”How the fuck am I being partisan for debunking lies?  Lies aren’t liberal or conservative.  At least they’re not supposed to be.

  22. @agnophilo – Do you read your links?  ” a three judge panel has ruled that it remain sealed until after Bush leaves office, at which time he will be served and placed into custody for trial.”Hmmmm.. I could be mistaken, but he is no longer in office, and he has not been placed into custody and there has been no trial.Amazing how the source said the indictment was sealed, basically to get out of having to show any evidence.  The other link, was actually in reference to the first Bush.  Look at the date on the bottom, and was not charges, but merely an inquiry.  The blog here mention quotes made by Geithner.  Was, or was he not appointed by Obama?  Since he was appointed by Obama, it is certainly fair to criticise Obama for Geithner’s actions.  If not, then it is not fair to criticise Bush for Cheney’s actions, Rumsfeld’s actions or anyone in his administrations actions, thus making nearly all criticism invalid.

  23. @grim_truth – “Do you read your links?  ” a three judge panel has ruled that it remain sealed until after Bush leaves office, at which time he will be served and placed into custody for trial.”  Hmmmm.. I could be mistaken, but he is no longer in office, and he has not been placed into custody and there has been no trial.”That is because he hasn’t left the country.”Amazing how the source said the indictment was sealed, basically to get out of having to show any evidence.”Until he left office.  A sitting president has both executive privilege and diplomatic immunity and an attempt to arrest a sitting president while in office could be seen as an act of war.”The other link, was actually in reference to the first Bush.  Look at the date on the bottom, and was not charges, but merely an inquiry.”I know.  There are other examples, go look for them.”The blog here mention quotes made by Geithner.  Was, or was he not appointed by Obama?  Since he was appointed by Obama, it is certainly fair to criticise Obama for Geithner’s actions.  If not, then it is not fair to criticise Bush for Cheney’s actions, Rumsfeld’s actions or anyone in his administrations actions, thus making nearly all criticism invalid.”I’m confused, are you saying that rumsfeld and cheney (who were subordinates of the president) are responsible for the crimes listed?  And anyone who planned and aided in a war crime may be charged.  And what did geithner do other than advocating policies and saying things you don’t agree with?  That isn’t against the law, let alone a crime against humanity.

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