Debate Number 3

Sorry for my lack of coverage on the debates, I felt as though Mitt Romney had done a good enough job of exposing the lies of President Obama.  There are a few though that he was unable to, or did not feel the need to address from this third debate. I am here to offer up my opinions on these issues.

660.) President Obama tried to once again perpetuate the myth that Mitt Romney wanted to shut Detroit down.  Here is the part of the debate that I am referenceing.

ROMNEY: I said these companies need to go through a managed bankruptcy, and in that process they can get government help and government guarantees. But they need to go through bankruptcy to get rid of excess cost and the debt burden that they’ve built up. And fortunately, the president took —
OBAMA: Governor Romney, that’s not what you said!
ROMNEY: Fortunately, the president —
OBAMA: (stammering)
ROMNEY: We can take a look at —
OBAMA: I, uh, uh, ah, ah…
ROMNEY: You can take a look at the op-ed.
OBAMA: Governor Romney, you did not
ROMNEY: You can take a look at the op-ed.
OBAMA: You did not say —
ROMNEY: I’m still speaking.
OBAMA: — that you would provide governor (sic) help.
ROMNEY: I said we would provide guarantees and that was what was able to allow these companies to go through bankruptcy, to come out of bankruptcy. Under no circumstances would I do anything other than to help this industry get on its feet. And the idea that has been suggested that I would “liquidate” the industry? Of course not. Of course not.
OBAMA: Let’s check the record.
ROMNEY: That’s the height of silliness.
OBAMA: Let’s check the record!
ROMNEY: I have never said I would “liquidate” the industry.
OBAMA: Governor —
ROMNEY: I want to keep the industry going and thriving.
OBAMA: — the people of Detroit don’t forget. Anybody out there can check the record. Governor Romney, you keep trying t’, y’know, airbrush history here.”

So who is right? Did Mitt Romney want to support the United States automakers, or is President Obama right, did Mitt Romney want to watch as Detroit went down in flames? The only way to solve this mystery is to look at the op-ed in question. The following is from Mitt Romney’s 2008 New York Times Op-ed.

“If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.

Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.

But don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost. . . .

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable “

There it is in black and white, Mitt Romney did not want to abandon the United States Automotive industry. President Obama was wrong.

661.) The big thing for me in the final debate was how President Obama tried to belittle Mitt Romney. President Obama had this to say to Mitt Romney “Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military’s changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines. And so the question is not a game of Battleship where we’re counting ships. It’s — it’s what are our capabilities.” He acted like he was a child, explaining to him what an Air Craft Carrier was, and what submarines are.  It was just more evidence in how immature President Obama actually is.  When faced with a challenge, rather than simply state what his record is, he has to act like a school yard bully and mock the person who dares question him. A little fact check is in order I believe.
          a.) The United States of America still issue bayonets to every Marine.
          b.) The United States Navy called for a 10% increase in the number of ships in the fleet, yet President Obama wants to shrink the size of the navy.
          c.) The United States Army for the first time sense 1942 does in fact have soldiers on horses in war zones. Not to mention horses are used commonly in millitary funerals.
          d.) How could we be playing battle ship, there are currently no active battle ships in the United States navey. Well… unless you count the U.S.S. Consitution an active duty sailing vessel.

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7 comments
  1. Obama telling yet another lie…                                               …imagine that!

  2. Providing guarantees on financing to customers and providing assistance to manufacturers are not the same thing.  And romney’s big solution was use bankruptcy as a legal tool to steal their employees pensions and lower their wages.

  3. “How could we be playing battle ship, there are currently no active battle ships in the United States navey.”Battleship*, which is a board game.  “The United States of America still issue bayonets to every Marine.  The United States Army for the first time sense 1942 does in fact have soldiers on horses in war zones. Not to mention horses are used commonly in millitary funerals.”And we have more of them than we had in the year romney mentioned?  The entire last section of your blog is pretending to refute statements that are all either figurative or factually accurate by just giving trivia.

  4. *facepalm*You must be a rich man, and completely uninterested in the rights of anyone but rich people. That’s what Mitt Robme cares about. Only the rich, straight, and male.

  5. @agnophilo –  Oh yes the evil business man, the classic progressive response.  Because Mitt Romney is such a heartless monster he wants to screw over everyone he can to stuff his pockets with more money.  We all know your progressive beliefs place the Unions above all else.  Business have to make profit to survive, if the business fails all together the everyone loses their job. I have explained this several times before. The point here is that Mitt Romney did not say let GM go bankrup. You and I can go back and fourth for hours on whose plan was right and whose was wrong, but that is not the point being discussed here. The point being discussed here is that President Obama is not being honest. He is lying to the American people hoping that they are too ignorant to look for the truth.  He is not saying, “Govenor I did not believe that your plan would work. I did not think that there was financing to support them in their bankruptcy/” No instead President Obama has tried to feed the progressive’s fear of business and scare the moderates of this nation by claiming that Mitt Romney wanted to liquidate GM and line his pockets.  That is just not true, its not what he said in the op-ed that President Obama references, and as such President Obama is lying. That is the issue here not the choice of what path to take GM down. Reason_I_Trust – what a hard hitting comment discussing the issues.  You have swayed so many people with your understanding of the facts.  Our nation stands on the edge and your response is to make up funny names and fall back on progressive talking points. And just so you know, I am not rich. I am a grounds keeper for a local highschool.  I would like to become wealthy some day, and that is something that is impossible in Obama’s America.

  6. @obamawatch – “Oh yes the evil business man, the classic progressive response.”  I didn’t mention romney being wealthy or call him evil, my response was entirely factual and you entirely ignored it.”Because Mitt Romney is such a heartless monster he wants to screw over everyone he can to stuff his pockets with more money.”  That’s exactly what he proposed (and what he did for years).  I said romney wanted auto makers to steal their employees benefits and pension money to pay for their mistakes.  What do you think “shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs” means?  If CEOs want to buy insurance against their own mistakes let them pay for it themselves.  But if pensions can be stolen at the drop of a hat to fix the CEO’s mistakes they’re not pensions, they’re one big CEO fuckup insurance policy masquerading as an employee pension plan.”We all know your progressive beliefs place the Unions above all else.”  You act like “oh typical lefty liberal response” and put words in my mouth, then turn around and say shit like that.  I’ve not tried to stereotype you or paint you in any way whatsoever, I simply took issue with the content of your blog.  You are the only one being partisan here.”Business have to make profit to survive, if the business fails all together the everyone loses their job. I have explained this several times before.” No, you haven’t.  You have ignored what I said and are pretending to school me on things that are beside the point however.”The point here is that Mitt Romney did not say let GM go bankrup.” It was the title of the frigging Op Ed.”You and I can go back and fourth for hours on whose plan was right and whose was wrong, but that is not the point being discussed here. The point being discussed here is that President Obama is not being honest. He is lying to the American people hoping that they are too ignorant to look for the truth.  He is not saying, “Govenor I did not believe that your plan would work. I did not think that there was financing to support them in their bankruptcy/” No instead President Obama has tried to feed the progressive’s fear of business and scare the moderates of this nation by claiming that Mitt Romney wanted to liquidate GM and line his pockets.  That is just not true, its not what he said in the op-ed that President Obama references, and as such President Obama is lying. That is the issue here not the choice of what path to take GM down.”Two things, 1) in the bit you quoted obama said that romney was lying when he said he proposed direct government assistance (which is true, to quote the op ed “Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.”)  And 2) how is it out of bounds fear mongering for obama to suggest that romney’s policy would’ve meant the end of the auto industry but perfectly okay for romney to say “IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.”  That is the opening line of the op ed in question – how is that not unreasonable, exaggerated fear-mongering?  Where is your blog attacking that as dishonest partisan rhetoric?  Your definition of “lie” seems to be “an opinion I don’t agree with”.You attack obama as lying and don’t even quote anything he said that’s factually inaccurate (the “liquidate” line was romney’s and the “stuff his pockets” stuff was you) but you don’t care when romney lies left and right.  When he says one moment the federal government shouldn’t be involved in health insurance and the next “my plan would cover people with pre-existing conditions”.  Romney lies and then reverses his own position constantly and you have no problem with it, but go to acrobatic lengths to paint obama as a liar.

  7. It’s pointless to try to have a conversation with Teatards like you. I don’t bother with that, I have better things to do. I just delight in pointing out the obvious masochism. Bye now! 

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